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new terms request: for Porifera and Cnidaria #578
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Fascinating stuff! cc @bobthacker Please use:
I can add PORO to the composite-metazoan release next time around. There is also CTENO_0000003 gastrodermis, but of course ctenophores are not cnidarians. Does the same paper discuss how this all fits in with recent discussions as to the origins of ctenophores? I would like to 'bud off' a cnidarian ontology at some point, but for now we can add gastrodermis to uberon. Do you have a definition? I don't have my copy of Barnes at the office |
Hi Chris, thanks again, here what is provided by p.100 |
So there is a strong argument for making 'gastrodermis' a synonym of UBERON:0003929 'gut epithelium' (which I would prefer to relabel as 'digestive tract epithelium', 'gut' can be ambiguous, here I think we mean the full tract, starting with the mouth, extending to the anus, if present) We could also make it a subclass, with an additional differentia - e.g. a gastrodermis is a digestive tract epithelium that borders the mesoglea? |
Hi Chris, I guess, having 'gastrodermis' as a synonym of UBERON:0003929 would be fine (yes, I agree with relabeling like you propose). And in the literature 'gastrodermis' is not exclusively used for Cnidaria and Ctenophora (as does the term 'mesoglea'), but also for basal Bilaterian such as Nemertodermatida So the synonym option is ok from my point of view. Cheers, Anne |
Hi Anne and Chris, Chris pointed out that "osculum" and "choanoderm" are already in PORO. Since the homology of "choanoderm" vs. "gastrodermis" is debatable and under investigation by several evo/devo lab groups, I think you could list their relationship as "analogous to" for now, but please include the Barnes reference in the definition of analogy so that anyone wanting to look up the justification can find it. I would also use as a reference: http://www.dbbe.fcen.uba.ar/contenido/objetos/EPITELIOSYESPONJAS2009.pdf Epithelia and integration in sponges. I am not sure how to express in an ontology that sponges do not contain "gastrodermis" but instead the terms "choanoderm" and "pinacoderm" are used, but if possible, I think "analogous to" would be good. Bob |
We already have an (inferred) axiom in Uberon 'gut epithlium' only in taxon 'Eumetazoa' - so if gastrodermis is equivalent or a subclass then it inherits this. Re analogy vs homology: the bgee similarity table records the hypothesis stated in the paper, which in this case is homology. It is however, not encumbent on anyone to believe this... there are conflicting statements and this is to be expected |
Hi Chris, I would appreciate to have 'gastrodermis' as a synonym of As you proposed, UBERON:0003929 can be renamed 'digestive tract epithelium' Cheers, Anne |
are we good to close this now? |
yes, thank you Chris! |
Hi Chris,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24844197
"Thus, while sponges contain only a limited number of direct orthologues of genes involved in body plan patterning in the eumetazoans, all of them are expressed in patterns supporting Haeckel’s view that body plans of sponges and cnidarians are homologous: choanoderm corresponds to the gastrodermis and osculum to the mouth of the polyp. Clearly, the described expression patterns of the developmental regulatory genes, while highly suggestive, do not prove homology of the body plans. Rather, they provide the necessary first step and a framework for studies aimed at determining the regulatory networks governing development of sponges. Once established, these networks can be further compared with developmental regulatory networks in other animals and provide insights into the molecular mechanisms underlying diversification of animal body plans."
so maybe worth to have the following new terms?
*(sponge) choanoderm
*(sponge) osculum
*(cnidaria) gastrodermis
see also
ISBN:978-0030259821 "Ruppert EE, Fox RS, Barnes RD, Invertebrate zoology: a functional evolutionary approach (2003)
pages 78-79 for Porifera
page 100 'gastrodermis' in eumetazoa
Comments?
Cheers,
Anne
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