update view definition #289
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stevefaulkner
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Mar 2, 2025
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- update view definition
- add change of context definition
- note: this is not a PR that questions the name 'view' it is designed to move forward the substantive conversation of what a view is.
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I like this, too. The deleted part is extra information that could go in a note or understanding document to provide more context for specific environments, such as native mobile. |
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I thought we'd not do the naming in this PR? view-unit seems unintuitive and unusual to me, would like to see more support in the group for it before we adopt it. |
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ok if it's just a working term that works for me |
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I disagree. If we have a term that has many comments against it (even though we all love the concept) I think we should EITHER embrace new terms until someone as something against it other than "it feels weird or different". OR we should do somthing like use view/view-unit to show alternate terms for everyone to be looking at when doing critiques. and to see which ones actually work best. also -- we should not be redefining a common term like view to mean something other than common usage (like we are) so we should be looking for another term anyway. best |
Objection, for a term to “seem unintuitive and unusual” (the feedback I gave), are two serious qualifications that you just dismiss. It's helpful for a term to be intuitive and usual. I take your feedback seriously, please consider mine too. I'll expand in our GH discussion. For now, yes I agree it's fine to use this working term. |
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sorry, I meant no disrespect. I was just stating an opposing view to your comment "I thought we'd not do the naming in this PR? view-unit seems unintuitive and unusual to me, would like to see more support in the group for it before we adopt it." Best |
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I'm in support of this, also. Thanks for putting this together, @stevefaulkner. |
I agree that we need a definition for change of context. I submit that it is problematic for the definition to explicitly include the conditional phrasing about disorienting the user. There are major changes of context which are not problematic. The WCAG 2 definition works okay (in the context of WCAG 2) but for WCAG 3 it would be helpful to distinguish between changes of context which are predictable (and those that are not) and not even hint that every change of context is an accessibility issue. |
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| experience. [=Semi-automated evaluation=] allows machines to guide humans | |||
| to areas that need inspection. The emerging field of testing conducted via | |||
| machine learning is not included in this definition.</p></dd> | |||
| <dt data-status="developing"><dfn data-lt="Change of context">Change of context</dfn></dt> | |||
| <dd><p>Major change in the <a>content</a> of the <a>view-unit</a> that, if made without user awareness, can disorient users who are not able to perceive the entire <a>view</a simultaneously</p></dd> | |||
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| <dd><p>Major change in the <a>content</a> of the <a>view-unit</a> that, if made without user awareness, can disorient users who are not able to perceive the entire <a>view</a simultaneously</p></dd> | |
| <dd><p>Major change in the <a>content</a> of the <a>view-unit</a> that, if made without user awareness, can disorient users who are not able to perceive the entire <a>view</a> simultaneously</p></dd> |
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| <p>A change of content is not always a change of context. Changes in content, such as an expanding outline, dynamic menu, opening a non-modal dialog, or a tab control do not necessarily change the context.</p> |
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| <p>A change of content is not always a change of context. Changes in content, such as an expanding outline, dynamic menu, opening a non-modal dialog, or a tab control do not necessarily change the context.</p> | |
| <p>A change of content is not always a change of context. Changes in content — such as an expanding outline, dynamic menu, opening a non-modal dialog, or a tab control — do not necessarily change the context.</p> |