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Term label update for "fermentation" #29511
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Interesting! Let me try and unpack this a bit. First, let's examine the proposal from a GO perspective. As I understand, you want to relabel the existing fermentation term because of the phenomena of aerobic fermentation. Classic examples of aerobic fermentation are either pathological (cancer/Warburg) or industrial, so it's not surprising we don't see this represented in GO annotations (or in MetaCyc or KEGG). However, as I understand, it is present in natural strains of S cer and S pombe ("Crabtree effect")(although perhaps it is only typically activated in industrial contexts?). I would be curious to see what curators in these organisms say (@edwong57 @ValWood). As far as coordinating with other ontologies, I have some recommendations here and urge you to be careful, but let's first sort out what is in scope for GO first. |
Fermantation is very little studied in fission yeast. Although I have heard that pombe exhibits crabtree effect, I haven't seen any papers describing it. @PCarme @Antonialock do you have any input here about aerobic vs anaerobic fermentation ? |
I don't personally know much about the topic in S. pombe, but one researcher from my previous team works on carbon metabolism. I could ask him if he knows of any sources on crabtree effect in S. pombe |
We could change the primary name of but we would not want to change the definition to cover non-evolved gene-specific processes. Food fermentation is out of scope for GO. |
that would be useful to know... |
Pombe and cerevisiae are both capable of fermenting in the presence of oxygen. I don't know what the current thinking in the field is but from memory it at least used to be thought of as a competition strategy (when food is abundant, rapidly eat all the simple energy and produce alcohol, to starve and poison other organisms). This I suppose contrasts to some bacteria that switch strategy (fermentation/respiration) depending on whether oxygen is present. do we need to specify if it occurs anaerobically or aerobically as part of the def? The def of aerobic respiration states "The enzymatic release of energy from inorganic and organic compounds (especially carbohydrates and fats) which requires oxygen as the terminal electron acceptor. " so the fermentation def could be updated to something like "The enzymatic release of energy from compounds which requires a molecule other than oxygen as the terminal electron acceptor. " |
I assume the fermentation process itself is the same in yeast, regardless of whether it happens in the presence/absence of oxygen (same gene products/pathway). I therefore do not think we need different terms for aerobic fermentation and anaerobic fermentation. |
And also, if PMID: 19748317 is right, in trypanosomes. Here's a long quote (Box 1 of that review) that aims to distinguish types of energy metabolism that may be generally helpful.
My nonexpert guess looking at these definitions is that this is yet another pathway / process boundary issue. Draw the boundaries narrowly and there is only one kind of fermentation with no meaningful sub-differentia. Draw it a bit more broadly, to include fates of the immediate product of the core fermentation process and an aerobic / anaerobic distinction may become meaningful. |
From Ont Editor meeting 2025-01-13, make fermentation do-not-annotate but remove anaerobic restriction. |
We need a new definition, describing what is common to all fermentation processes. CHAT GPT All reduce organic compounds to produce energy? Fermentation regenerates NAD+ from NADH, enabling producing ATP without oxygen. @deustp01 is this true |
For pyruvate in mammals and yeasts, yes. I don't know, if one looks at obligate anaerobes or weird organisms in thermal vents, whether it's always NAD+, as opposed to some other molecule functioning in this way, that needs to be regenerated. |
Another problem with the term "fermentation" is that to describe the process of fermentation fully, you would need to include (for glycolytic fermentation) all of the glycolysis. so we have terms like "glycolytic fermentation" Perhaps we only want terms to describe the process post-glycolysis (since the glycolysis part of the pathway is shared with respiration). I.e Alcoholic fermentation: In yeast and some plants, pyruvate is converted into ethanol and carbon dioxide. This process also regenerates NAD+, allowing glycolysis to continue. Otherwise, it becomes difficult to model, and in the previous discussion, we said that the shared part of the pathway should be a separate process (i.e. when discussing GPI and dolichol biosynthesis recently). For this reason, I favour the obsoletion of "fermentation" because it is a grab-bag for multiple orthogonal processes with different start and end points, including and excluding upstream pathways. (It can be related, broad or narrow synonyms) |
Ah, this brings back wonderful memories from long ago! Look at PMID: 27589964, especially the part of the "Results" section entitled "Glycolytic fermentations couple glycolysis to NAD+ regeneration" It's a pathway/process boundaries issue for sure, but please, it is not an issue of whether fermentation is a GO-worthy biological process - it certainly is! |
So here is a suggested definition for a grouping term which excludes the glycolysis part: fermentation is a metabolic process that sustains the conversion of organic compounds into energy (ATP) through glycolysis by regenerating NAD+ from NADH, while producing byproducts such as alcohol, acids, and gases. Fermentation occurs under anaerobic or sometimes aerobic conditions, though it does not require oxygen and does not consume it. (I'm sure at least one part of this will not be true!) |
PMID:38821505 is an extensive and recent review that Wikipedia:Fermentation is primarily based on. |
Maybe replace this phrase with "without consumption of oxygen" |
For GO, based on previous recent discussions, the default 'rule' would be to represent only the 'specific' and not the 'shared' part of the pathway by the GO term This means that for our purposes glycolysis would precede "alcoholic fermentation" and "lactic acid fermentation" i.e. in GO-CAM [ GOCAM glycolysis: glucose-6-p ->pyruvate] upstream of [GOCAM alcoholic fermentation: pyruvate-> ethanol & CO2*] This likely makes these terms 'compound terms' encompassing the glycolysis and the fermentation, and are unnecessary. etc and in this case we should make it clear in the definitions that for curation purposes this The Wikipedia definition is too broad for GO purposes, we. are so used to thinking of fermentation as starting with glucose from brewing and baking, but this is equivalent to creating terms like "glycolytic respiration". Summary |
Noting also that most terms are not used and there are only 58 EXP annotation Used terms
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Trying to remember some basic comparative biochemistry and microbiology, I'm pretty sure that most, maybe all, of these processes are important parts of energy metabolism in various microorganisms but not necessarily prominent in humans and popular GO model organisms. |
I think most of the existing terms should be represented, but there are redundancies if we begin the pathways from the organic acids. |
I made a model of 'fermentation' in fission yeast to illustrate some of the issues |
see also #29465 |
Action points:
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Chat-GPT When referring to fermentation without including glycolysis, the process is often described as the fermentation pathway or fermentative metabolism. This focuses on the steps that occur after glycolysis, primarily the conversion of the end products of glycolysis (such as pyruvate) into various fermentation products (like ethanol, lactic acid, or other organic acids), depending on the type of fermentation. Lactic acid – Produced during lactic acid fermentation, typically by bacteria such as Lactobacillus species. This occurs in muscles (when oxygen is limited) and in dairy products like yogurt and kefir. So I propose we call these pathways Does that sound OK? |
Would this be different than the term, non-glycolytic fermentation (https://amigo.geneontology.org/amigo/term/GO:0019662)? definition: Fermentation that does not include the anaerobic conversion of glucose to pyruvate via the glycolytic pathway. Source: GOC:jl, MetaCyc:Fermentation |
I'm not sure. This term is ambiguous. It is defined But I think these terms were maybe made do differentiate fermentation of organic acids that are not sourced directly from glycolysis. It's very confusing... |
The term non-glycolytic fermentation (https://amigo.geneontology.org/amigo/term/GO:0019662) is confusing There is a single annotation by CACAO from PMID:25220241 @dsiegele This should perhaps be changed to some 'glycerol catabolic process' and 'non-glycolytic fermentation' obsoleted? |
Here is what looks like a definitive review of fermentation processes in anaerobes - Decker K, Jungermann K, Thauer RK. Energy production in anaerobic organisms. Angew Chem Int Ed Engl. 1970 Feb;9(2):138-58. doi: 10.1002/anie.197001381. PMID: 4984685. The paper is copyright so I don't want to post it to this ticket but I'm happy to e-mail a copy who wants one. |
GO:0006113 fermentation |
Looks good to me. These reviews are very nice. |
But does this definition work for us if we want to restrict fermentation in GO to the fermentative pathway? It could be confusing because the ATP is not generated by this part of the pathway which is to regenerate NADH. Shouldn't the definition focus on NADH regeneration from organic acids? |
How about, "A catabolic process in which reduced input molecules are oxidized without the involvement of oxygen, ultimately leading to the generation of ATP"? "... primarily uses organic compounds" is weak, as it explicitly allows exceptions but does not specify what makes a valid exception. The second reference you cite, PMID: 38821505, agrees with this complaint in part:
But then becomes vague in a way that makes a clean genus - differentia definition really hard
My stripped-down definition above at least is not wrong, and perhaps with some or all of this language from PMID: 38821505 as a comment, and with PMID: 38821505 and perhaps also the Decker et al. paper PMID: 4984685 as references that provide exhaustive catalogs of true fermentations, curators have the information needed to identify fermentation processes accurately. |
The old authorities would disagree - the point of catabolizing reduced molecules by fermentation is not simply to dispose of them but to extract energy from them. |
@deustp01 Does your proposal distinguish fermentation from GO:0009061 anaerobic respiration? "The enzymatic release of energy from inorganic and organic compounds (especially carbohydrates and fats) which uses compounds other than oxygen (e.g. nitrate, sulfate) as the terminal electron acceptor." I do agree that "... primarily uses organic compounds" is deliberately vague to cover the H2 and CO2 cases (PMID:38821505 Figure 1B). If we name them explicitly, there may be other caveats. |
No, it does not. And not to be too much of an elitist snot, I see that the authority for GO:0009061 anaerobic respiration as a distinct entity, judging from the change log of its QuickGO page is an entry in Wikipedia that is accompanied by a heated discussion as to whether the term can properly be distinguished from fermentation. I think GO would be better off relying on named and well-recognized authorities like the ones we have all gathered to cite in support of the"fermentation" term. And it is exactly those named authorities that I was relying on for my suggested definition. |
The fermentation branch has 45 terms (15 have EXP annotations), 10 of 45 contains the string "glycolyt*" GO:0019650 glycolytic fermentation to butanediol |
GO:0019655 glycolytic fermentation to ethanol (13 EXP) has a XREF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fermentation, which is about glucose->ethanol C6H12O6 + 2 ADP + 2 Pi → 2 C2H5OH + 2 CO2 + 2 ATP. GO:0019660 glycolytic fermentation (3 EXP) DEF "Fermentation that includes the anaerobic conversion of glucose to pyruvate via the glycolytic pathway. " and XREFs to MetaCyc:Pyruvate-Degradation GO:0019662 non-glycolytic fermentation (1 EXP) DEF "Fermentation that does not include the anaerobic conversion of glucose to pyruvate via the glycolytic pathway. " GO:0044814 glycolytic fermentation via PFL pathway (2 EXP) DEF "The glycolytic fermentation beginning with the anaerobic conversion of glucose to pyruvate by the glycolytic pathway, followed by pyruvate:formate lyase (PFL) activity. This pathway is found in facultative anaerobes such as E. coli." (End products are formate and ethanol.) |
Currently the GO term "fermentation" definition focuses on anaerobic fermentation. The FoodOn ontology needs both aerobic and anaerobic fermentation terms, so we'd like to see these terms disambiguated.
BTW, we see the GO (non-planned process) "fermentation" term favours casting the objective of fermentation as an energy producing process, but our interest is in defining a subclass "food fermentation" which handles food processing objectives.
GO term ID and label for which you request a definition update
http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/GO_0006113 "fermentation"
New proposed definition (genus-differentia pattern, plus additional information if needed)
We'd like the label changed to "anaerobic fermentation".
We don't see the need to change the GO definition for fermentation unless a more general parent "fermentation" class is introduced.
Our FoodOn curators have been crafting a more general "fermentation" definition, though it may still require description of output compounds:
"Fermentation is a metabolic process which transforms organic substances by various living microorganisms and the enzymes they produce."
Note, CHMO "fermentation mentions bioreactor specifically, and a planned process, so we will be recommending that CHML change its label to "bioreactor fermentation".
Reference(s)
FoodOn issue Fermented foods FoodOntology/foodon#320
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10991178/ (anaerobic / microaerobic and aerobic bacteria referenced).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobic_fermentation
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B0122270703005705
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