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BUG - reply_time fields in ticket_metrics not populating #49
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Hi @emiliedecherney thank you for opening this issue and providing all the additional context for the error you are seeing within the We actually helped another user address a similar type of issue (they were actually seeing extremely high reply times) and when addressing their issue we actually reworked how the reply time metric is calculated. Would you be able upgrade your package to the latest version of dbt_zendesk (that is compatible with dbt v0.19.0) and see if this issue still persists? You can use the below config in place of your current one for your - package: fivetran/jira_source
version: 0.2.0
- package: fivetran/jira
version: 0.3.0
- package: fivetran/zendesk ##Updated to the latest dbt v0.19.0 compatible release
version: 0.5.2
- package: fivetran/salesforce_source
version: 0.2.1
- package: fivetran/salesforce
version: 0.3.1
- package: fivetran/fivetran_log
version: 0.3.0 Let me know if the issue still persists and if so we will look further into the package. |
When attempting to replace the config, I get the below error upon running
dbt deps.
Found duplicate project "fivetran_utils". This occurs when a
dependency has the same project name as some other dependency.
…On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 10:56 AM Joe Markiewicz ***@***.***> wrote:
Hi @emiliedecherney <https://github.com/emiliedecherney> thank you for
opening this issue and providing all the additional context for the error
you are seeing within the zendesk__ticket_metrics for the reply_time
fields.
We actually helped another user address a similar type of issue (they were
actually seeing extremely high reply times) and when addressing their issue
we actually reworked how the reply time metric is calculated. Would you be
able upgrade your package to the latest version of dbt_zendesk (that is
compatible with dbt v0.19.0) and see if this issue still persists?
You can use the below config in place of your current one for your
packages.yml:
- package: fivetran/jira_source
version: 0.2.0
- package: fivetran/jira
version: 0.3.0
- package: fivetran/zendesk ##Updated to the latest dbt v0.19.0 compatible release
version: 0.5.2
- package: fivetran/salesforce_source
version: 0.2.1
- package: fivetran/salesforce
version: 0.3.1
- package: fivetran/fivetran_log
version: 0.3.0
Let me know if the issue still persists and if so we will look further
into the package.
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@emiliedecherney this is due to a mismatch in the source package dependencies. You actually do not need to declare those within your - package: fivetran/jira
version: 0.3.0
- package: fivetran/zendesk ##Updated to the latest dbt v0.19.0 compatible release
version: 0.5.2
- package: fivetran/salesforce
version: 0.3.1
- package: fivetran/fivetran_log
version: 0.3.0 |
I am still getting the same error, even after removing the source package
declarations (using what you've shared in your last comment).
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@emiliedecherney <https://github.com/emiliedecherney> this is due to a
mismatch in the source package dependencies. You actually do not need to
declare those within your packages.yml as the main packages already
reference the accurate source version. The duplicate "fivetran_utils" is
caused by the source packages listed out are referencing an older version
of our fivetran_utils package. If you use the below it should resolve that
error:
- package: fivetran/jira
version: 0.3.0
- package: fivetran/zendesk ##Updated to the latest dbt v0.19.0 compatible release
version: 0.5.2
- package: fivetran/salesforce
version: 0.3.1
- package: fivetran/fivetran_log
version: 0.3.0
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Hi @emiliedecherney my appologies I missed the fivetran_log upgrade since - package: fivetran/jira
version: 0.3.0
- package: fivetran/zendesk ##Updated to the latest dbt v0.19.0 compatible release
version: 0.5.2
- package: fivetran/salesforce
version: 0.3.1
- package: fivetran/fivetran_log
version: 0.3.2 |
I was able to update the .yml as you defined. After doing so and updating
zendesk__ticket_metrics, I still see the same issue (missing reply times).
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Hi @emiliedecherney <https://github.com/emiliedecherney> my appologies I
missed the fivetran_log upgrade since v0.3.0 uses the old version as well.
- package: fivetran/jira
version: 0.3.0
- package: fivetran/zendesk ##Updated to the latest dbt v0.19.0 compatible release
version: 0.5.2
- package: fivetran/salesforce
version: 0.3.1
- package: fivetran/fivetran_log
version: 0.3.2
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@emiliedecherney I am sorry to hear this did not resolve the issue, but thank you for confirming this. I have added this issue to my current sprint tasks and will look deeper into the issue you are seeing and work see if a fix can be applied to fix the issue you are seeing. I will get back to you here once I am able to come back with updates. |
@emiliedecherney After doing some digging I have been able to find that our package currently takes into consideration first reply time after an external comment is created. Taking a look at the screenshot you provided it looks like there has not been an external comment yet. Is that the case? Additionally, do you see the nature of tickets commonly being created without a customer opening the ticket and creating a comment to be replied to? This is a type of functionality we do not have built into the package at the moment, but I would like to try and understand a bit better the nature of tickets that are not opened and first commented on by end users. |
Hi,
In prior reporting we have utilized Zendesk’s definition of replies and
reply times from their API. This also allowed reporting from the database
to align with measures an end user would see in the Zendesk BI tool. I am
curious to understand if and/or why this package creates a different
calculation?
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@emiliedecherney <https://github.com/emiliedecherney> After doing some
digging I have been able to find that our package currently takes into
consideration first reply time after an external comment is created. Taking
a look at the screenshot you provided it looks like there has not been an
external comment yet. Is that the case?
Additionally, do you see the nature of tickets commonly being created
without a customer opening the ticket and creating a comment to be replied
to? This is a type of functionality we do not have built into the package
at the moment, but I would like to try and understand a bit better the
nature of tickets that are not opened and first commented on by end users.
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Hi @emiliedecherney thanks for this confirmation. I also was able to find Zendesk Support Metric Definitions and see how Zendesk is calculating these metrics on their end. When we originally developed the code for the reply times in this package we followed the assumption that reply times would want to be measured following the first end-user comment opposed to just the creation of the ticket. I would agree with you that in instances where an end-user creates a ticket but provides no comment then the measure will not be accurately recorded. Currently, we would like this package to replicate the definitions of these measures on Zendesk's side so our users will be able to replicate the same reports accurately. I will make some adjustments on a branch and share in this thread so you may try and confirm if the results you are seeing are expected. |
Thank you Joe, and of course happy to help validate.
Could there be other metrics that Zendesk calculates on their side that may
differ from how Fivetran is deriving those same metrics?
…On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 10:46 AM Joe Markiewicz ***@***.***> wrote:
Hi @emiliedecherney <https://github.com/emiliedecherney> thanks for this
confirmation. I also was able to find Zendesk Support Metric Definitions
<https://support.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360022182114#topic_cyq_fr4_l2b>
and see how Zendesk is calculating these metrics on their end.
[image: image]
<https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/74217849/136976940-61a7d0d2-92c4-4def-af40-7efd488f1c91.png>
When we originally developed the code for the reply times in this package
we followed the assumption that reply times would want to be measured
following an end-user comment opposed to just the creation of the ticket. I
would agree with you that in instances where an end-user creates a ticket
but provides no comment then the measure will not be accurately recorded.
Currently, we would like this package to replicate the definitions of these
measures on Zendesk's side so our users will be able to replicate the same
reports accurately.
I will make some adjustments on a branch and share in this thread so you
may try and confirm if the results you are seeing are expected.
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That would be great! I will plan to do an audit of the metrics we originally had in the first iteration of this package. A few months ago we added a suite of metrics based off the definitions highlighted by Zendesk in the doc I shared above, but we did not revisit metrics we originally had in this package (reply times being one of them). This will be a good exercise to confirm those definitions align with what we have in the package. |
Hi @emiliedecherney I have been able to take what we have talked about above and make the respective updates within a working branch Would you be able to use the below packages:
- git: https://github.com/fivetran/dbt_zendesk.git
revision: bugfix/reply-time-metrics
warn-unpinned: false Once you have updated the Thank you! |
Hi Joe,
I've tested with the updated package and reply times appear as expected!
I know you are also auditing other metrics against Zendesk's definitions.
To help with that, I did notice a few other metrics worth auditing:
- total_agent_replies (With the latest package update, this matches more
closely to what we were seeing when pulling directly from Zendesk, but does
not align exactly)
For the tickets I validated against, the resolution and wait times in terms
of calendar minutes all tied out. But the same metrics in terms of business
minutes differed from what we saw when pulling from the Zendesk API. I am
wondering if there is a difference in how Zendesk classifies business
minutes vs. the Fivetran package?
- first_resolution_business_minutes
- full_resolution_business_minutes
- requester_wait_time_in_business_minutes
Thank you!
Emilie
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Hi @emiliedecherney <https://github.com/emiliedecherney> I have been able
to take what we have talked about above and make the respective updates
within a working branch bugfix/reply-time-metrics.
Would you be able to use the below packages.yml config in place of the
existing fivetran/zendesk package dependency:
packages:
- git: https://github.com/fivetran/dbt_zendesk.git
revision: bugfix/reply-time-metrics
warn-unpinned: false
Once you have updated the packages.yml you may execute dbt clean then dbt
deps and finally dbt run to run the code in the working branch. Let me
know if you have any questions when installing the working branch and let
me know if you notice this fixes the reply times being null when they
shouldn't error you originally experienced.
Thank you!
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That's great to hear @emiliedecherney! I will soon open a PR with these changes and work to merge them into the next release. I agree that In regards to the business minutes we have found that our package does not always match up to what is reported in Zendesk. While this is the case, we do believe our logic is more accurate. After looking into the business minutes we found that if a ticket changes schedules Zendesk will update the business minutes to have the ticket use only the schedule that it was last updated to. In contrast, our package takes into account the schedule of the ticket with each hand off along the way. This does result in a difference between our reporting and Zendesk, but find our logic to be more accurate. I would be happy to walk you through this live if you would like. If so, feel free to setup time during our dbt office hours and we would be happy to help! |
Hi Joe, I am sharing the notes above regarding business minutes with my
team for consideration.
In the meantime, what would be the ETA on merging the corrected reply time
logic into production?
Thank you,
Emilie
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That's great to hear @emiliedecherney <https://github.com/emiliedecherney>!
I will soon open a PR with these changes and work to merge them into the
next release. I agree that total_agent_replies metric was previously off
and I have since updated it in the recent branch to now be a total sum of
all agent replies (both public and not public) on a ticket. I checked and
confirm this aligns with Zendesk metric report. Does this align with your
understanding.
In regards to the business minutes we have found that our package does not
always match up to what is reported in Zendesk. While this is the case, we
do believe our logic is more accurate. After looking into the business
minutes we found that if a ticket changes schedules Zendesk will update the
business minutes to have the ticket use *only* the schedule that it was
last updated to. In contrast, our package takes into account the schedule
of the ticket with each hand off along the way. This does result in a
difference between our reporting and Zendesk, but find our logic to be more
accurate. I would be happy to walk you through this live if you would like.
If so, feel free to setup time during our dbt office hours
<https://calendly.com/fivetran-solutions-team/fivetran-solutions-team-office-hours?month=2021-10>
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@emiliedecherney that sounds great! Our current sprint ends this Wednesday (10/20) EOD so you can expect these changes and others included within PR #48 to be released on a new version then. FYI the new version of the package will require a dbt upgrade as the latest versions of the packages use dbt >= 0.20.0 and changing |
Thank you Joe.
Would you or someone at Fivetran be able to help us work through the dbt
upgrade? We've attempted this in the past but ran into issues.
Best,
Emilie
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@emiliedecherney <https://github.com/emiliedecherney> that sounds great!
Our current sprint ends this Wednesday (10/20) EOD so you can expect these
changes and others included within PR #48
<#48> to be released on a new
version then.
FYI the new version of the package will require a dbt upgrade as the
latest versions of the packages use dbt >= 0.20.0 and changing
fishtown-analytics references to now be dbt-labs.
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What types of issues had you run into in the past? Maybe I can help point you in the right direction here?! |
Thanks Joe!
We tried to upgrade to dbt 0.21.0, and upon testing our jobs bumped into
this error, which tells me we may have to upgrade multiple fivetran
packages to be compatible with the latest dbt version. I've shared our
packages.yml below, could you help us identify where we'll be out of sync?
Also, I'm not sure where I would be looking for references to
'fishtown-analytics' in dbt?
[image: image.png]
.yml:
[image: image.png]
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you in the right direction here?!
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@emiliedecherney the images don't seem to have rendered when posting through Github. My recommendation would be to upgrade the fivetran packages you are using to their latest versions which will resolve the package references to |
Thanks Joe! I *think *we were able to get through all the updates today.
Please let me know once the latest Zendesk updates are live.
Will we need to update the Zendesk package version again after the release
today?
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@emiliedecherney <https://github.com/emiliedecherney> the images don't
seem to have rendered when posting through Github.
My recommendation would be to upgrade the fivetran packages you are using
to their latest versions which will resolve the package references to
fishtown-analytics. That should be the only change you need to make! You
may want to take a look at the packages you are upgrading to be aware of
the release notes in case their are breaking changes, but once you upgrade
the packages you should be good!
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@emiliedecherney sounds good! I was just doing some final tests before the package is released. One question I want to run by you. If when an agent opens a ticket for a customer and adds a comment at the same time of the ticket creation, but another public comment has not been made yet would you expect the reply time to be 0 or null? I have done some digging into our own Zendesk data and see that Zendesk leaves these tickets as null instead of 0. Then the first reply time is made following the next public comment. To be consistent with Zendesk reporting I am leaning to keep those records as null, but was curious what your opinion is as the ticket you shared in the original issue looks to only have one public comment made to it. |
My suggestion would be align with Zendesk in this case.
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@emiliedecherney <https://github.com/emiliedecherney> sounds good! I was
just doing some final tests before the package is released.
One question I want to run by you. If when an agent opens a ticket for a
customer and adds a comment at the same time of the ticket creation, but
another public comment has not been made yet would you expect the reply
time to be 0 or null?
I have done some digging into our own Zendesk data and see that Zendesk
leaves these tickets as null instead of 0. Then the first reply time is
made following the next public comment. To be consistent with Zendesk
reporting I am leaning to keep those records as null, but was curious what
your opinion is as the ticket you shared in the original issue looks to
only have one public comment made to it.
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@emiliedecherney the latest release I will leave this ticket open until the release is live. Once the latest release is live I will close the ticket and please feel free to open another Github issue if you have any further questions or requests for the package. 😄 |
Joe, I installed v0.7.0 this morning and refreshed zendesk__ticket_metrics.
I found that reply times are missing for the ticket we used as a test case
(id = 75162). They were not missing when we tested together the other day.
Here is the packages.yml
packages:
- package: fivetran/jira_source
version: 0.3.1
- package: fivetran/jira
version: 0.5.1
- package: fivetran/zendesk
version: 0.7.0
- package: fivetran/salesforce_source
version: 0.3.1
- package: fivetran/salesforce
version: 0.4.0
- package: fivetran/fivetran_log
version: 0.4.0
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Hi @emiliedecherney correct, that was my clarification question above. Zendesk marks those tickets with no other follow up response as null. A first reply time is only recorded following a second internal public response if the first reply is also an internal comment. |
Are you a current Fivetran customer?
<Yes, Emilie DeCherney, Director of Analytics, Pendo>
Describe the bug
Steps to reproduce
Run example query:
select ticket_id, total_agent_replies, first_reply_time_business_minutes, first_reply_time_calendar_minutes
from
pendo-reporting.pendo_zendesk.zendesk__ticket_metrics
where ticket_id = 75162
Expected behavior
Reply times to be populated
Project variables configuration
Package Version
Warehouse
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Screenshots
Query results from zendesk__ticket_metrics for example ticket_id (75162) show null reply times, when there is a reply:
![image](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/83296448/136208622-814b0bc8-4c2c-4684-a12f-d4ffaf383e22.png)
For the same ticket, reply is shown in Zendesk UI:
![image](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/83296448/136213176-12235808-cdda-4ebf-a258-3fc4c3697243.png)
Please indicate the level of urgency
Urgent, this is blocking ability to report accurately through several dashboards for an extended period of time.
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