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[DataCap Removal Proposal]Abusive Behaviour Detected on 2008 #935

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dikemm opened this issue Jul 20, 2023 · 40 comments
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[DataCap Removal Proposal]Abusive Behaviour Detected on 2008 #935

dikemm opened this issue Jul 20, 2023 · 40 comments
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dikemm commented Jul 20, 2023

Client Application URL or Application Number

filecoin-project/filecoin-plus-large-datasets#2008

Client Name

Dcent

Client Address

f1mgnwoczfj25foxn4555wvwyak6rsynzy7z73azy

Amount of DataCap to be removed

105PiB

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dikemm commented Jul 20, 2023

#930 (comment)
2 Fatman13
3 laurarenpanda
2 liyunzhi-666

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dikemm commented Jul 20, 2023

WX20230720-161429@2x 254259998-eafe8c10-920b-4ce0-8e69-4885360b9484

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To provide transparency, I want to reiterate that your previous accusations have been addressed and answered more than seven times in the past six months. I am more than willing to provide you with links to these responses, as it seems you may have been unable to find them yourself:

  • Regarding duplicate data (0.04% of the application size), the explanation can be found here: [link 1] and [link 2].

  • Regarding CID sharing (0.02% of the application size), it was a fault on our end six months ago, and it has not occurred since.

  • CID sharing 0.02% of the application was a fault at our end 6 months ago, has not happened since.
    Unique bytes [link 3]

I hope these resources will help clarify any misconceptions and promote a better understanding of the situation.

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dikemm commented Jul 20, 2023

Really, don't do this.
Others have problems, and theirs is problematic no matter how they are interpreted.
If you have a problem, if you explain it, there will be no problem. If you have any problem, you can use the next round of corrections to easily get DC. It’s so funny!

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dikemm commented Jul 20, 2023

According to the current statement, problematic LDNs and controversial LDNs cannot be signed by a notary unless the dispute is resolved. In the face of CID, I think that the controversy can never be resolved, because people have to face the facts! And not a lie!

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Does anyone find this DC assignment weird? The top-ranked SP gets nearly 3 PiB of DC credits. According to the picture of CID, intuitively speaking, the ratio exceeds 31%. Is this allowed?

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To provide transparency, I want to reiterate that your previous accusations have been addressed and answered more than seven times in the past six months. I am more than willing to provide you with links to these responses, as it seems you may have been unable to find them yourself:

  • Regarding duplicate data (0.04% of the application size), the explanation can be found here: [link 1] and [link 2].
  • Regarding CID sharing (0.02% of the application size), it was a fault on our end six months ago, and it has not occurred since.
  • CID sharing 0.02% of the application was a fault at our end 6 months ago, has not happened since.
    Unique bytes [link 3]

I hope these resources will help clarify any misconceptions and promote a better understanding of the situation.

@Kevin-FF-USA @raghavrmadya The explanation is invalid, if there is a problem, it is a problem. Also ask the community to audit this person @herrehesse

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Screenshot 2023-07-20 at 12 15 54

@dikemm almost seems like you have a lot of experience in this ecosystem for many years.

Screenshot 2023-07-20 at 12 18 21

@ars-bubu You are now disputing an explained question from Speedium while you are fully self-dealing #1408?

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@0xXPunkX Thank you for asking the same question again, if you would have scrolled up a little bit you would have found the answer: filecoin-project/filecoin-plus-large-datasets#2008 (comment)

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According to the CID inspection report, the LDN has signed 5 rounds, not the 1st and 2nd The difference should not be so large in the stage of the uncontrollable data of a small amount of data, so the reason cannot be accepted.

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@0xXPunkX What you are saying is so far from the truth. This application was signed already for over 40 times on different LDN requests due to its size. Here you can take a look: https://github.com/filecoin-project/filecoin-plus-large-datasets/issues?q=is%3Aissue+speedium+nih

"The difference should not be so large in the stage of the uncontrollable data of a small amount of data" what does this even mean?

  • Our application has a total size of 15PiB * 10 = 150PiB or 153.600TiB
  • The "CID" duplicate problem is 44 TiB = 0.02% of the complete application

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#930

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Make Filecoin Permissionless Again!

FIL+ is a con

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ghost commented Jul 21, 2023

Hello @dikemm - this proposal was reviewed.

It seems the client has explained every instance under scrutiny clearly and transparently. There were some errors early on, as many clients have learning the processes to onboard data. There has been nothing since that we can tell.

Additionally, this client has undergone all KYC and KYB standards of E-Fil+ to comply with requirements of the program.

This is a completely transparent client working with transparent SP entities who are onboarding data in a distributed manner that meets the guidelines of the Fil+ program. There are no major abuse flags here.

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WX20230720-161429@2x 254259998-eafe8c10-920b-4ce0-8e69-4885360b9484

Like @Filplus-govteam has already mentioned in their comment, all of the highlighted issues above have already been explained by the client here

  1. For everyone's convenience here are the quoted response to the first highlighted issue:

Just addressing the duplicate data on miners f01208803 and f01208189.
Over the Xmas period, both these miners had issues while snapping. A small number of files had permission issues (i.e. could not be removed from the file system) and were not cleaned up from the ingest pipeline. While our ingest code normally performs a check to ensure a file has not been previously ingested, this check failed with these files.
This has since been sorted.

  1. Second highlighted issue's quoted response:

Regarding CID sharing (0.02% of the application size), it was a fault on our end six months ago, and it has not occurred since.
CID sharing 0.02% of the application was a fault at our end 6 months ago, has not happened since.

  1. Third highlighted issue's quoted response:

One organization is ahead with the sealing plan. We will pause them so things will balance out over the course of next tranche of datacap.

Extra note, retrievability of the dataset has been increasing between datacap report summaries proving the client has been actively working on this as well.

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dikemm commented Jul 22, 2023

I agree with you @Filplus-govteam , but there is another problem with Dcent, which is the concatenation of notary signatures, in 2008, fildrive signed three times in a row, which is already against the regulations.RG once pointed out that fildrive's LDN has major problems, a large number of CID sharing, but because fildrive actively helps Dcent to sign, fildrive's LDN can see a lot of problems at a glance, but Dcent never post dispute.

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dikemm commented Jul 22, 2023

The LDN of the fildrive series, 1623-1627, has a lot of abuse and cid sharing. As for whether VPN is used, I will investigate if necessary, but 1623-1627DCENT are all signed, and fildrive is also actively helping DCENT sign 2008.

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Screenshot 2023-07-24 at 12 02 02

Everyone has the right to inquire or challenge entities, but let's focus on cutting through the clutter. Speedium and Cryptowhizzard have been active members of this community since its inception, consistently displaying openness and transparency. They have addressed all the questions raised in this thread in great detail. However, it appears that certain newly created throwaway accounts are not genuinely seeking answers, but merely attempting to undermine our credibility by creating noise.

The Fil+ T&T team, PIKNIK, and HOLON have all provided their responses as well, yet the noise persists.

In essence, it all boils down to noise. If you are actually interested in answers on your questions, I would suggest you to take a proper look inside their LDN issues.

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dikemm commented Jul 24, 2023

I don't intend to attack you, but from the point of view of signatures, you have helped every LDN of fildrive to sign, and they are actively helping you to sign. You still have many LDNs who can see their signatures, especially in 2008. The signatures are too frequent, which has violated the rules. In addition, RG has indeed questioned the LDN of fildrive. And I believe it is easy to find evidence of your signatures with PIKNIK.

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kevzak commented Jul 24, 2023

Hello I can add my notes about this situation as this is an E-Fil project.

This client has done all they can to make their application meet the Fil+ requirements.

  • We asked clients with larger than 15PiB datasets to stop creating separate applications and to instead utilize E-Fil+ and create one application that is easier for the community to monitor. They did that.
  • We asked them to abide by E-Fil+ upfront requirements. They did that.
  • We asked them to share distributed SP entities they are working with. They did that.
  • We asked them to redistribute their DataCap so SPs are storing more evenly. They are in the process of doing so currently.
  • The community has asked questions and they have responded to every question with a clear answer why.

Regarding notary signing trends. It looks like seven different notaries have signed this application. That seems like a solid distribution to me. Yes, I see Laurapanda has signed 3 times and it was made clear that she will not sign any more subsequent allocations in a row.

Please note: Currently in the E-Fil multisig we only have around 8-10 active notaries of the 35 which means notaries will have to sign multiple times to support applications. And these notaries are not always active recently. The client has reached out to all notaries and is currently stuck looking for additional support see here. We should not have situations where this occurs and I am in the process of adding additional notaries to the multisig in the next few weeks to allow for more to be available since the current majority are inactive and will be soon removed.

Regarding Filedrive. I too had questions about their CID reports. They responded and had community support for their answers. filecoin-project/filecoin-plus-large-datasets#1626 (comment)
However, there storage activity is not this client's issue. In my opinion, if you have a dispute, you can open a separate file regarding any specific findings.

Regarding @cryptowhizzard signing for Filedrive. I reviewed and it looks like he signed initially on several of Filedrive application. But, it also it looks like he was active on over 200 LDN applications and has awarded over 1PiB of DataCap as a notary. Remember, the majority of active notaries sign on many applications, so of course there will be repeat signings, it has to for the system to work and applications to receive DataCap. But it still takes 4-20 signatures to get substantial DataCap, he signed once on each applications, still requiring many notaries to support and to be involved. So to say by signing once on a specific application while he also signs on 75+ other applications also means he is in collusion with one SP is a bit of a stretch don't you think?

After review, I see no major flags, communication is active and completely transparent. I think there are many claims here that are completely unrelated to this specific application. I'd ask @raghavrmadya and T&T WG to review and look to close this so the client can move on.

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lyjmry commented Jul 24, 2023

Hello I can add my notes about this situation as this is an E-Fil project.

This client has done all they can to make their application meet the Fil+ requirements.

  • We asked clients with larger than 15PiB datasets to stop creating separate applications and to instead utilize E-Fil+ and create one application that is easier for the community to monitor. They did that.
  • We asked them to abide by E-Fil+ upfront requirements. They did that.
  • We asked them to share distributed SP entities they are working with. They did that.
  • We asked them to redistribute their DataCap so SPs are storing more evenly. They are in the process of doing so currently.
  • The community has asked questions and they have responded to every question with a clear answer why.

Regarding notary signing trends. It looks like seven different notaries have signed this application. That seems like a solid distribution to me. Yes, I see Laurapanda has signed 3 times and it was made clear that she will not sign any more subsequent allocations in a row.

Please note: Currently in the E-Fil multisig we only have around 8-10 active notaries of the 35 which means notaries will have to sign multiple times to support applications. And these notaries are not always active recently. The client has reached out to all notaries and is currently stuck looking for additional support see here. We should not have situations where this occurs and I am in the process of adding additional notaries to the multisig in the next few weeks to allow for more to be available since the current majority are inactive and will be soon removed.

Regarding Filedrive. I too had questions about their CID reports. They responded and had community support for their answers. filecoin-project/filecoin-plus-large-datasets#1626 (comment) However, there storage activity is not this client's issue. In my opinion, if you have a dispute, you can open a separate file regarding any specific findings.

Regarding @cryptowhizzard signing for Filedrive. I reviewed and it looks like he signed initially on several of Filedrive application. But, it also it looks like he was active on over 200 LDN applications and has awarded over 1PiB of DataCap as a notary. Remember, the majority of active notaries sign on many applications, so of course there will be repeat signings, it has to for the system to work and applications to receive DataCap. But it still takes 4-20 signatures to get substantial DataCap, he signed once on each applications, still requiring many notaries to support and to be involved. So to say by signing once on a specific application while he also signs on 75+ other applications also means he is in collusion with one SP is a bit of a stretch don't you think?

After review, I see no major flags, communication is active and completely transparent. I think there are many claims here that are completely unrelated to this specific application. I'd ask @raghavrmadya and T&T WG to review and close this so the client can move on.

@ Laurapanda does not sign the follow-up, but he has violated the notary signature rules. As you can see, the signatures were concentrated on three of the eight people.

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lyjmry commented Jul 24, 2023

A team that has made multiple glaring errors in its LDN also bills itself as "the judge of the world enforcing the law everywhere." Isn't this a big joke?

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@lyjmry, it's quite evident that you're determined to bring everyone else down with you. However, I must admit, I appreciate the fact that you're not hiding behind a throwaway account like most others do. I'm genuinely curious if you fully comprehend what @kevzak has written here or if you're simply asking questions with no possible answers in mind.

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lyjmry commented Jul 24, 2023

@lyjmry,很明显你决心要让其他人都跟着你一起垮掉。然而,我必须承认,我很欣赏您没有像大多数其他人那样躲在一次性帐户后面。我真的很好奇你是否完全理解什么@kevzak已写在这里,或者如果您只是提出问题而没有想到可能的答案。

I'm not trying to drag anyone down. It's not in any of my interests. I just think your team goes around picking on other LDNS. And to others pointing out your violations described as noise. It's not in keeping with the fairness of the community.

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lyjmry commented Jul 24, 2023

And, obviously. Your LDN did have multiple violations.

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"picking on"

We don't randomly select disputes. Instead, we meticulously provide transparent and concrete on-chain evidence for each of our cases.

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And, obviously. Your LDN did have multiple violations.

The key distinction lies in our transparency – we back our claims with solid evidence, offer clear explanations, and refrain from engaging in actions like extensive self-dealing with hundreds of PiB's while falsely distributing them through VPN services, which seems to be the practice of about 95% of the LDN's currently. Go out there and take a look for yourself.

Labeling us as similar to those is a result of your perspective, not mine, as our approach and actions speak for themselves. As for your suggestion, would active PL members and large public companies be willing to defend us if we were genuinely the abusive entity here? It seems highly unlikely to me.

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lyjmry commented Jul 24, 2023

And, obviously. Your LDN did have multiple violations.

The key distinction lies in our transparency – we back our claims with solid evidence, offer clear explanations, and refrain from engaging in actions like extensive self-dealing with hundreds of PiB's while falsely distributing them through VPN services, which seems to be the practice of about 95% of the LDN's currently. Go out there and take a look for yourself.

Labeling us as similar to those is a result of your perspective, not mine, as our approach and actions speak for themselves. As for your suggestion, would active PL members and large public companies be willing to defend us if we were genuinely the abusive entity here? It seems highly unlikely to me.

NO NO NO! It's not as noble as you say! I've been watching for a while. Every time your team started a fight, it was after you were no longer able to sell data profitably on Bigdata.

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lyjmry commented Jul 24, 2023

Because after the community shuts down because of the tools you make, you profit for a long time. But after the community implements your standards, you will upgrade them again.

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lyjmry commented Jul 24, 2023

Your intent seems to be not to better the community, but to prevent others from taking your share of the market pie on Datacap.

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Because after the community shuts down because of the tools you make, you profit for a long time. But after the community implements your standards, you will upgrade them again.

Why don't you just buzz off with your blackmailing tactics and shit. You won't get me to approve your LDN, Period.

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lyjmry commented Jul 24, 2023

If you want to prove that you really do care about community development, you can stop distributing LDN. One heart to guide the community to do compliance things! That's beautiful.

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If you want to prove that you really do care about community development, you can stop distributing LDN. One heart to guide the community to do compliance things! That's beautiful.

Buzz off. Go away.

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Which “pie” are you referring too? There is over 1EiB of datacap out there we barely hold 0.2% per accepted trench for our single application.

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@lyjmry why are you blackmailing @cryptowhizzard ? This is extremely illegal.

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lyjmry commented Jul 24, 2023

@lyjmry why are you blackmailing @cryptowhizzard ? This is extremely illegal.

@lyjmry why are you blackmailing @cryptowhizzard ? This is extremely illegal.

I was just testing his principles

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lyjmry commented Jul 24, 2023

Which “pie” are you referring too? There is over 1EiB of datacap out there we barely hold 0.2% per accepted trench for our single application.

Which “pie” are you referring too? There is over 1EiB of datacap out there we barely hold 0.2% per accepted trench for our single application.

That's not my focus.Because I know that technical errors can lead to such mistakes. This is understandable.

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@raghavrmadya @kevzak @dkkapur Asking for dispute closure.

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hcgun commented Aug 10, 2023

hello, as you are a notary, we need an explanation why do you sent so many deals of data to only one/two/three SPs?
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This goes against what you said in your application.If it is a small amount of excusable, there is a huge deviation.
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