Flash support for site X?

[VikramTiwari]

What type of flash support is there in Brave? If none, shouldn't support for PPAPI which is more secure, be there?

Ref: https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/6213033?hl=en

[bridiver]

We currently don't have plans to support Flash, but a "mobile" view that will trigger many sites to display an HTML5 compatible version of the site targeted towards ios is on the roadmap. If there is enough demand we will revisit the decision, but Flash carries a lot of baggage with it even through PPAPI. So far I haven't personally come across anything I really cared about that didn't have a non-flash alternative, but I know there are some out there and at this point it's a question of how many sites/people it affects. I'll leave this issue open to act as a "poll" for now.

[diracdeltas]

+1 for not supporting Flash

[bbondy]

May be added as an option you can explicitly turn on later, but off by default.
Preference is to just not support it at all though too.

[bagmangood]

One problem with not supporting flash - a lot of the web still uses flash pretty extensively (portions of YouTube, most streaming sites).

Flash is awful, but unfortunately still necessary at the moment

[bridiver]

Can you provide an example from YouTube?

[bagmangood]

First one I found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkTzDh8IKNU

[bridiver]

That plays for me on Brave. What do you see on this page https://www.youtube.com/html5 ?

[bridiver]

I do understand your point about Flash and I realize that there are sites that won't work, but some sites are more important than others.

[bagmangood]

I got check marks on everything on the html5 page. Deleted Brave and re-installed (with the latest version from Brave.com) and now the video plays. Guess I should have tried that first.

[bridiver]

Great! We are interested in reports of popular sites that require Flash so please continue to report any that you find and we will try to address them.

[bagmangood]

Created a page on the wiki rather than spam a thread https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop/wiki/Non-Supported-Video-Sites

[bridiver]

Netflix has HTML5 support for Safari, but it does not appear to work on Brave right now.
#468

[bridiver]

Not sure about twitch.tv, but anything that plays on mobile Safari should work on Brave at least for SD content (HD has DRM issues) when jwplayer is added

[Nhoj1983]

So I checked, no hulu, crunchyroll, daisuki, gamespot (video), or funimation available. Mostly geek related sites but seriously going to be hard to make brave my browser if it doesn't support a large amount of what I use the web for which is streaming. I really like brave and I agree flash isn't great but it's kind of needed atm. I realize some sites are more important but I know a lot of people who use at least one of these pretty regularly.

[weems]

Seconding @diracdeltas idea to not support flash, though it could be nice to have some sort of option as users definitely desire to use Brave on sites which only work with flash.

[diracdeltas]

Could anyone who is having trouble with Flash sites like Hulu checkout this branch to see if it fixes the issue: https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop/tree/feature/ua-spoofing

It spoofs the user-agent to iPad (which doesn't run flash by default). Thanks!

[bridiver]

Netflix works on Safari 9+ without any Flash/Silverlight. Might be a better option for ua spoofing because I think Netflix on ios sends you to their app.

[bridiver]

Verified that Netflix sends you to a "get the free app" page for ios

[diracdeltas]

Netflix works on Safari 9+ without any Flash/Silverlight. Might be a better option for ua spoofing because I think Netflix on ios sends you to their app.

I think that is because of EME support. http://techblog.netflix.com/2014/06/html5-video-in-safari-on-os-x-yosemite.html

I'll change it to desktop safari for now

[bridiver]

Hmmm... looks like we may need Widevine then. There is already support in Electron for it and according to http://www.widevine.com there are no licensing fees

[FutureSomeOne]

Twitch.tv !!!!! almost every single gamer go to this site, there will be even more people go to twitch when there is a tournament, if all the gamers (who use computer the most) can't go to their streaming website, they will just switch to other browser

[bbondy]

See #782

[weems]

Prioritization for sites with the most usage will be important as more requests for flash / plugin sites are made. Scaling is going to be important.

[Spammie]

ehm, I wana use spotify website on my laptop but it requires flash what do I do ?

[bridiver]

I don't have a spotify account to test, but there appears to be an html5 version http://blog.72lions.com/projects/2014/12/8/spotify-web-player
http://play.spotify.com/

[Spammie]

Well I was in brave and I couldn't access it to listen to some music, it prompts me to download flash ...

[bridiver]

@Spammie did you try http://play.spotify.com instead of the regular home page? There seems to be a lot of conflicting information and the actual status of an html5 version is unclear

[weems]

There is a <div id="html5audio"></div> tag, but I think the actual authentication / playing of music is negotiated with a flash plugin.

[weems]

It is not HTML5 (pure at least) tries to use the following: https://play.spotify.edgekey.net/client/9cd7401/flash/bridge.swf

[dscycler]

cbs.com requires flash.

[dscycler]

Pandora.com requires Flash.

[dukrat]

VMWare vCenter vSphere Web Client requires Flash.

[zeg-io]

Foxnews.com watch live requires flash

[dschneiderch]

http://www.espnfc.us/ seems to require flash although http://espn.go.com/ does not.
Version: 0.8.0
Electron: 0.36.8
libchromiumcontent: 47.0.2526.110
Channel: dev

[mdkberry]

cmcmarkets.com.au trading platform needs flash

[bbondy]

This is our plan for Flash:
#1093

I'm keeping this open though, retitled as "Flash support for site X?" for now to track the sites we should add to that whitelist.

[jetrd001]

Twit.tv recomended the Brave browser, so I tried it ... strangly you can watch the recorder potcasts but not the Live stream... this needs Flash .. Bummer .

[DivineOmega]

Excellent idea on restricting Flash use to predetermined white list.

[jbshirk]

+1 for html5 (at least)

[osmestad]

https://listen.tidal.com also requires Flash

[bbondy]

Closing this in favour of this wiki:
https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop/wiki/Flash-and-Other-Non-Supported-Plugin-Sites-(Video-and-Non-Video)

And the actual work for this is being done here:
#1093

[stevenado]

the next links doesn't work normaly:
http://ici.radio-canada.ca
the videos doesn't work there cause flash is not activated:
http://ici.radio-canada.ca/rdi
http://ici.radio-canada.ca/audio-video

http://ici.tou.tv/dans-l-oeil-du-dragon

it's a good idea to not activate flash, but can we get the video link to be able to play it directly with an external tool like vlc or mplayer?

[hucekes]

Amazon Prime Music insists on Flash
Brave 0.9.3 Electron 37.7 Windows 10

[Copypasty]

Well... I'm sure there's a very small market, but flash gaming sites don't work..
http://www.kongregate.com/
http://armorgames.com/
http://miniclip.com/games/en/
etc.

[3CirclesChurchCommunity]

Are you kidding? No flash support means Brave is useless to me and many, many others. When I go to Hulu, CBS/ABC/NBC news, or thousands of other sites I CAN'T PLAY A SINGLE VIDEO!!! USELESS!

[luixxiul]

Are you kidding?

I believe 100% that the dev team is not kidding at all, quite serious. And also I believe that there are so many users who are quite serious too. As the comment above (#386 (comment)) indicates, if there are suggestions of sites, please add them to the wiki. I lock the conversation.

[luixxiul]

For the participants:

After some discussion on Slack and clarification with Chrome on their Flash plans, here's the latest proposal: https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop/wiki/Flash-Support-Proposal

#1093 (comment)