Vomiting from disgust now removes 50 disgust from you #85944
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Guy Who Reworked Rust Heretic here. While the numbers from Rust ascensions are definitely inflated (the great majority of em happen on 20-30 pop rounds with no security, I witnessed at least 10 of those ascensions myself), I feel like part of the reason why Rust Has grown in popularity is due to the nature of how disgust is coded to begin with. There's no coded countermeasure for preventing excessive disgust for keeping you permanently in place, even if we ignore balance concerns (Sol Dry and Anti Magic still exist as counters) at the end of the day it's just way too oppressive and unfun to play against , even after the stun got changed to a knockdown. Now don't get me wrong walking on rusted turfs should incur a penalty, and if we get to the point where people can just shrug off the disgust buildup i'll address it down the line, altough i doubt this pr will break the camel's back in that regard. |
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I got disgust-chainlocked from some mutation or something the other day and it was 15 minutes of pure undiluted misery |
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<!-- Write **BELOW** The Headers and **ABOVE** The comments else it may not be viewable. --> <!-- You can view Contributing.MD for a detailed description of the pull request process. --> ## About The Pull Request Partially reverts a change i made to Rust walkers summoning ritual by having it require Iron(slightly more than it once did) instead of titanium. <!-- Describe The Pull Request. Please be sure every change is documented or this can delay review and even discourage maintainers from merging your PR! --> ## Why It's Good For The Game Couple of months ago i made rust walkers more expensive to summon as the result of how punishing the vomiting chain stun was and how rust walkers allowed you to rust the station a lot quicker that you normally would. That was the wrong way to tackle the problem though, As from what i've seen barely anybody bothers summons these guys after i changed the recipe, and it was probably the disgust itself that needed to be nerfed, which it did. The vomit is now a knockdown instead of a hard stun and cannot be costantly chain proc thanks to this PR. tgstation#85944 We do want Heretics to use summons, it brings other players into the fun and makes the round chaotic in a fun way. That's why i'm partially reverting the nerf, it still requires more iron than it once did, 10 sheets instead of 5. Admittedly titanium as a reagent was a bit stupid considering it cannot even rust IRL, oh well.... <!-- Argue for the merits of your changes and how they benefit the game, especially if they are controversial and/or far reaching. If you can't actually explain WHY what you are doing will improve the game, then it probably isn't good for the game in the first place. --> ## Changelog <!-- If your PR modifies aspects of the game that can be concretely observed by players or admins you should add a changelog. If your change does NOT meet this description, remove this section. Be sure to properly mark your PRs to prevent unnecessary GBP loss. You can read up on GBP and its effects on PRs in the tgstation guides for contributors. Please note that maintainers freely reserve the right to remove and add tags should they deem it appropriate. You can attempt to finagle the system all you want, but it's best to shoot for clear communication right off the bat. --> :cl: balance: Rusted Ritual now requries 10 sheets of Iron instead of Titanium. /:cl: <!-- Both :cl:'s are required for the changelog to work! You can put your name to the right of the first :cl: if you want to overwrite your GitHub username as author ingame. --> <!-- You can use multiple of the same prefix (they're only used for the icon ingame) and delete the unneeded ones. Despite some of the tags, changelogs should generally represent how a player might be affected by the changes rather than a summary of the PR's contents. -->
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## About The Pull Request Partially reverts a change i made to Rust walkers summoning ritual by having it require Iron(slightly more than it once did) instead of titanium. Link to my previous pr: #83765 ## Why It's Good For The Game Couple of months ago i made rust walkers more expensive to summon as the result of how punishing the vomiting chain stun inflicted by rust was, Initially i thought rust walkers were the problem, as they allowed the heretic to spread rust much quicker than you'd be able to do on their own. That was the wrong way to tackle the problem though, As from what i've seen barely anybody bothers summons these guys after i changed the recipe, and it didn't make Rust heretic any less oppressive. What needed addressing is how oppressive the vomiting was, which admittedly it did change. The vomit is now a knockdown instead of a hard stun and cannot costantly chain proc thanks to this PR. #85944 We do want Heretics to use summons, it brings other players into the fun and makes the round chaotic in a fun way. That's why i'm partially reverting the nerf, it still requires more iron than it once did, 10 sheets instead of 5. Admittedly titanium as a reagent was a bit stupid considering it cannot even rust IRL, oh well.... ## Changelog :cl: balance: Rusted Ritual now requries 10 sheets of Iron instead of Titanium. /:cl:
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## About The Pull Request Partially reverts a change i made to Rust walkers summoning ritual by having it require Iron(slightly more than it once did) instead of titanium. Link to my previous pr: tgstation/tgstation#83765 ## Why It's Good For The Game Couple of months ago i made rust walkers more expensive to summon as the result of how punishing the vomiting chain stun inflicted by rust was, Initially i thought rust walkers were the problem, as they allowed the heretic to spread rust much quicker than you'd be able to do on their own. That was the wrong way to tackle the problem though, As from what i've seen barely anybody bothers summons these guys after i changed the recipe, and it didn't make Rust heretic any less oppressive. What needed addressing is how oppressive the vomiting was, which admittedly it did change. The vomit is now a knockdown instead of a hard stun and cannot costantly chain proc thanks to this PR. tgstation/tgstation#85944 We do want Heretics to use summons, it brings other players into the fun and makes the round chaotic in a fun way. That's why i'm partially reverting the nerf, it still requires more iron than it once did, 10 sheets instead of 5. Admittedly titanium as a reagent was a bit stupid considering it cannot even rust IRL, oh well.... ## Changelog :cl: balance: Rusted Ritual now requries 10 sheets of Iron instead of Titanium. /:cl:
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## About The Pull Request Partially reverts a change i made to Rust walkers summoning ritual by having it require Iron(slightly more than it once did) instead of titanium. Link to my previous pr: tgstation/tgstation#83765 ## Why It's Good For The Game Couple of months ago i made rust walkers more expensive to summon as the result of how punishing the vomiting chain stun inflicted by rust was, Initially i thought rust walkers were the problem, as they allowed the heretic to spread rust much quicker than you'd be able to do on their own. That was the wrong way to tackle the problem though, As from what i've seen barely anybody bothers summons these guys after i changed the recipe, and it didn't make Rust heretic any less oppressive. What needed addressing is how oppressive the vomiting was, which admittedly it did change. The vomit is now a knockdown instead of a hard stun and cannot costantly chain proc thanks to this PR. tgstation/tgstation#85944 We do want Heretics to use summons, it brings other players into the fun and makes the round chaotic in a fun way. That's why i'm partially reverting the nerf, it still requires more iron than it once did, 10 sheets instead of 5. Admittedly titanium as a reagent was a bit stupid considering it cannot even rust IRL, oh well.... ## Changelog :cl: balance: Rusted Ritual now requries 10 sheets of Iron instead of Titanium. /:cl:
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* [NO GBP] Partially reverts a change to *Rusted Ritual* (#85986) ## About The Pull Request Partially reverts a change i made to Rust walkers summoning ritual by having it require Iron(slightly more than it once did) instead of titanium. Link to my previous pr: tgstation/tgstation#83765 ## Why It's Good For The Game Couple of months ago i made rust walkers more expensive to summon as the result of how punishing the vomiting chain stun inflicted by rust was, Initially i thought rust walkers were the problem, as they allowed the heretic to spread rust much quicker than you'd be able to do on their own. That was the wrong way to tackle the problem though, As from what i've seen barely anybody bothers summons these guys after i changed the recipe, and it didn't make Rust heretic any less oppressive. What needed addressing is how oppressive the vomiting was, which admittedly it did change. The vomit is now a knockdown instead of a hard stun and cannot costantly chain proc thanks to this PR. tgstation/tgstation#85944 We do want Heretics to use summons, it brings other players into the fun and makes the round chaotic in a fun way. That's why i'm partially reverting the nerf, it still requires more iron than it once did, 10 sheets instead of 5. Admittedly titanium as a reagent was a bit stupid considering it cannot even rust IRL, oh well.... ## Changelog :cl: balance: Rusted Ritual now requries 10 sheets of Iron instead of Titanium. /:cl: * [NO GBP] Partially reverts a change to *Rusted Ritual* --------- Co-authored-by: EnterTheJake <102721711+EnterTheJake@users.noreply.github.com>
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## About The Pull Request Partially reverts a change i made to Rust walkers summoning ritual by having it require Iron(slightly more than it once did) instead of titanium. Link to my previous pr: tgstation/tgstation#83765 ## Why It's Good For The Game Couple of months ago i made rust walkers more expensive to summon as the result of how punishing the vomiting chain stun inflicted by rust was, Initially i thought rust walkers were the problem, as they allowed the heretic to spread rust much quicker than you'd be able to do on their own. That was the wrong way to tackle the problem though, As from what i've seen barely anybody bothers summons these guys after i changed the recipe, and it didn't make Rust heretic any less oppressive. What needed addressing is how oppressive the vomiting was, which admittedly it did change. The vomit is now a knockdown instead of a hard stun and cannot costantly chain proc thanks to this PR. tgstation/tgstation#85944 We do want Heretics to use summons, it brings other players into the fun and makes the round chaotic in a fun way. That's why i'm partially reverting the nerf, it still requires more iron than it once did, 10 sheets instead of 5. Admittedly titanium as a reagent was a bit stupid considering it cannot even rust IRL, oh well.... ## Changelog :cl: balance: Rusted Ritual now requries 10 sheets of Iron instead of Titanium. /:cl:
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## About The Pull Request Partially reverts a change i made to Rust walkers summoning ritual by having it require Iron(slightly more than it once did) instead of titanium. Link to my previous pr: tgstation/tgstation#83765 ## Why It's Good For The Game Couple of months ago i made rust walkers more expensive to summon as the result of how punishing the vomiting chain stun inflicted by rust was, Initially i thought rust walkers were the problem, as they allowed the heretic to spread rust much quicker than you'd be able to do on their own. That was the wrong way to tackle the problem though, As from what i've seen barely anybody bothers summons these guys after i changed the recipe, and it didn't make Rust heretic any less oppressive. What needed addressing is how oppressive the vomiting was, which admittedly it did change. The vomit is now a knockdown instead of a hard stun and cannot costantly chain proc thanks to this PR. tgstation/tgstation#85944 We do want Heretics to use summons, it brings other players into the fun and makes the round chaotic in a fun way. That's why i'm partially reverting the nerf, it still requires more iron than it once did, 10 sheets instead of 5. Admittedly titanium as a reagent was a bit stupid considering it cannot even rust IRL, oh well.... ## Changelog :cl: balance: Rusted Ritual now requries 10 sheets of Iron instead of Titanium. /:cl:
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This pull request replays #85944 onto the wallening revert branch. Co-authored-by: tgstation-ci <179393467+tgstation-ci[bot]@users.noreply.github.com>
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This PR is reverting the wallening by reverting everything up to 8868a5d and replaying the PRs skipping #85491. 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## About The Pull Request Partially reverts a change i made to Rust walkers summoning ritual by having it require Iron(slightly more than it once did) instead of titanium. Link to my previous pr: tgstation/tgstation#83765 ## Why It's Good For The Game Couple of months ago i made rust walkers more expensive to summon as the result of how punishing the vomiting chain stun inflicted by rust was, Initially i thought rust walkers were the problem, as they allowed the heretic to spread rust much quicker than you'd be able to do on their own. That was the wrong way to tackle the problem though, As from what i've seen barely anybody bothers summons these guys after i changed the recipe, and it didn't make Rust heretic any less oppressive. What needed addressing is how oppressive the vomiting was, which admittedly it did change. The vomit is now a knockdown instead of a hard stun and cannot costantly chain proc thanks to this PR. tgstation/tgstation#85944 We do want Heretics to use summons, it brings other players into the fun and makes the round chaotic in a fun way. That's why i'm partially reverting the nerf, it still requires more iron than it once did, 10 sheets instead of 5. Admittedly titanium as a reagent was a bit stupid considering it cannot even rust IRL, oh well.... ## Changelog :cl: balance: Rusted Ritual now requries 10 sheets of Iron instead of Titanium. /:cl:
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## About The Pull Request Vomiting caused by disgust now deducts 50 disgust from you. This should prevent chainvomiting causing infinite knockdowns and slowdowns. ## Why It's Good For The Game This is primarily intended as a nerf to rust heretics, although it also serves as semi-balance/qol to other sources of disgust. Rust tiles apply 10 disgust per tick with blade applying 50/100 on detonation, which leads to chain vomiting resulting in endless knockdown.  Statistics also support this, as rust is currently the strongest heretic path to go down, both pickrate and (almost) win % wise. Initial rework's author also supports this change, as chain vomit knockdowns were not intended to be this prevalent or strong. ## Changelog :cl: balance: Vomiting from disgust now removes 50 of it from you. /:cl:
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## About The Pull Request Vomiting caused by disgust now deducts 50 disgust from you. This should prevent chainvomiting causing infinite knockdowns and slowdowns. ## Why It's Good For The Game This is primarily intended as a nerf to rust heretics, although it also serves as semi-balance/qol to other sources of disgust. Rust tiles apply 10 disgust per tick with blade applying 50/100 on detonation, which leads to chain vomiting resulting in endless knockdown.  Statistics also support this, as rust is currently the strongest heretic path to go down, both pickrate and (almost) win % wise. Initial rework's author also supports this change, as chain vomit knockdowns were not intended to be this prevalent or strong. ## Changelog :cl: balance: Vomiting from disgust now removes 50 of it from you. /:cl:
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About The Pull Request
Vomiting caused by disgust now deducts 50 disgust from you. This should prevent chainvomiting causing infinite knockdowns and slowdowns.
Why It's Good For The Game
This is primarily intended as a nerf to rust heretics, although it also serves as semi-balance/qol to other sources of disgust. Rust tiles apply 10 disgust per tick with blade applying 50/100 on detonation, which leads to chain vomiting resulting in endless knockdown.
Statistics also support this, as rust is currently the strongest heretic path to go down, both pickrate and (almost) win % wise. Initial rework's author also supports this change, as chain vomit knockdowns were not intended to be this prevalent or strong.
Changelog
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balance: Vomiting from disgust now removes 50 of it from you.
/:cl: