diff --git a/mypy/checker.py b/mypy/checker.py
index c69b80a55fd9..35c883276029 100644
--- a/mypy/checker.py
+++ b/mypy/checker.py
@@ -8485,6 +8485,11 @@ def visit_type_var(self, t: TypeVarType) -> bool:
         # multi-step type inference.
         return t.id.is_meta_var()
 
+    def visit_tuple_type(self, t: TupleType, /) -> bool:
+        # Exclude fallback to avoid bogus "need type annotation" errors
+        # TODO: Maybe erase plain tuples used as fallback in TupleType constructor?
+        return self.query_types(t.items)
+
 
 class SetNothingToAny(TypeTranslator):
     """Replace all ambiguous Uninhabited types with Any (to avoid spurious extra errors)."""
diff --git a/mypy/type_visitor.py b/mypy/type_visitor.py
index f62d67bc26cc..d935b9a47a51 100644
--- a/mypy/type_visitor.py
+++ b/mypy/type_visitor.py
@@ -410,7 +410,7 @@ def visit_callable_type(self, t: CallableType, /) -> T:
         return self.query_types(t.arg_types + [t.ret_type])
 
     def visit_tuple_type(self, t: TupleType, /) -> T:
-        return self.query_types(t.items)
+        return self.query_types([t.partial_fallback] + t.items)
 
     def visit_typeddict_type(self, t: TypedDictType, /) -> T:
         return self.query_types(t.items.values())
@@ -550,7 +550,7 @@ def visit_callable_type(self, t: CallableType, /) -> bool:
             return args and ret
 
     def visit_tuple_type(self, t: TupleType, /) -> bool:
-        return self.query_types(t.items)
+        return self.query_types([t.partial_fallback] + t.items)
 
     def visit_typeddict_type(self, t: TypedDictType, /) -> bool:
         return self.query_types(list(t.items.values()))
diff --git a/test-data/unit/check-incremental.test b/test-data/unit/check-incremental.test
index 2cc072eb16e7..6b888c0047c3 100644
--- a/test-data/unit/check-incremental.test
+++ b/test-data/unit/check-incremental.test
@@ -6829,3 +6829,22 @@ reveal_type(a.f)
 tmp/b.py:4: note: Revealed type is "builtins.int"
 tmp/b.py:5: error: Incompatible types in assignment (expression has type "int", variable has type "str")
 tmp/b.py:6: note: Revealed type is "builtins.int"
+
+[case testSerializeDeferredGenericNamedTuple]
+import pkg
+[file pkg/__init__.py]
+from .lib import NT
+[file pkg/lib.py]
+from typing import Generic, NamedTuple, TypeVar
+from pkg import does_not_exist  # type: ignore
+from pkg.missing import also_missing  # type: ignore
+
+T = TypeVar("T", bound=does_not_exist)
+class NT(NamedTuple, Generic[T]):
+    values: also_missing[T]
+[file pkg/__init__.py.2]
+# touch
+from .lib import NT
+[builtins fixtures/tuple.pyi]
+[out]
+[out2]
diff --git a/test-data/unit/check-inference.test b/test-data/unit/check-inference.test
index 0da1c092efe8..bdd0ac305904 100644
--- a/test-data/unit/check-inference.test
+++ b/test-data/unit/check-inference.test
@@ -3886,3 +3886,11 @@ def a4(x: List[str], y: List[Never]) -> None:
     reveal_type(z2)  # N: Revealed type is "builtins.list[builtins.object]"
     z1[1].append("asdf")  # E: "object" has no attribute "append"
 [builtins fixtures/dict.pyi]
+
+[case testTupleJoinFallbackInference]
+foo = [
+    (1, ("a", "b")),
+    (2, []),
+]
+reveal_type(foo)  # N: Revealed type is "builtins.list[Tuple[builtins.int, typing.Sequence[builtins.str]]]"
+[builtins fixtures/tuple.pyi]