Ruby (August, 2022) - A Call for More Tolerance And Call For No-Ban Policy Results In Ban On Ruby-Talk (With No Reason Given)
I just banned gerald.bauer@gmail.com.
-- SHIBATA Hiroshi
THANK YOU
-- Ryan Davis
My full support to moderators.
-- Xavier Noria
My full support to moderators.
-- Carlo E. Prelz
That's fun.
-- Alice
Read the full thread A Welcoming Ruby Community - Calling for A No-Ban Policy - Use A Two/Three Week Suspension For Cool Off Instead »
Let's start from the beginning - the mail posted to ruby-talk titled " A Welcoming Ruby Community - Calling for A No-Ban Policy - Use A Two/Three Week Suspension For Cool Off Instead" reads:
Hello,
It's unfortunate that I have to write this and I have to even fear to get banned for life or whatever here too [on ruby-talk].
Anyways, due to a private email I got today about a ruby reddit ban (twice! incl. the banned person humbly asking the mod - yes, Richard Schneeman - for forgiveness - getting the classic answer:
the reddit ruby mob doesn't like what you offer (hint: your gems are NOT about rails!) and, thus, humbly accept the mistreatment and bullying - your feelings don't matter and so on.
Anyways, the cheerleading here on ruby-talk by Ryan Davis and friends when Opti / Die Optimisten got banned is worrying. I do not know Opti and his style is not mine but getting "triggered" by saying it's a bug is ridiculous and no cause for a ban.
Thus, may I humbly ask to start with the policy of no-bans right here on ruby-talk and turn it into a two or three- week suspension for cool-off and than let's welcome Opti / Die Optimisten back here.
But back to the mod (or is it the forum nazi?) - yes, Richard Schneeman enjoying and taking pleasure in kicking off rubyists from the reddit seemingly how he feels like.
May I again offer an alternative - change the "policy" banning posters willy-nilly for life and instead start with a no-ban policy. If the discussion gets heated or you get reports of harassment, abuse, spam, etc. than use a two/three week suspension or such.
For sure there is a case for obvious spammers to ban / kick-off but punishing and kicking off rubyists with years of contributions and dozens of gem is ridiculous and needs to stop.
Join us in the call for no-bans and making all welcome in the ruby community. What's your take?
Cheers. Prost.
And the answers by the ruby authorities:
My full support to moderators.
-- Xavier Noria
Weren't you calling for banning a slew of people back in March?
-- Jon Lambert
Note: I [Gerald Bauer] was calling for kicking off russian war propagandist spreading the lies of Vladmir Putin on the ruby-talk mailing list - with the comment that they are welcome back
when they stop posting the nazi propaganda about ukraine.To quote Wolf in the thread: Geez, I've never expected Russian propaganda to be so strong on this mailing list. For the record, Russia has stolen Crimea, then they deployed their own unmarked troops into Eastern Ukraine to help with insurrection there and now [the dictator Vladimir] Putin is coming for the rest of the country killing lot of civilians. Russia is the evil one here and it's fine to say so.
I just banned gerald.bauer@gmail.com.
-- SHIBATA Hiroshi
THANK YOU
-- Ryan Davis
That's fun.
-- Alice
Not sure if I missed a warning. Obviously this post is about the ruby community and not off-topic. I was asking about a discussion on a more tolerant moderation policy first on the ruby reddit and only started due to the recent ban of Opti (who is not a native English speaker) with a lead-in about ruby-talk.
Note - after sending this post with a carbon copy to Opti - he sent back this private email
I sent two mails to the listadmin (is it SHIBATA Hiroshi?) asking 1) why exactly I was banned, and 2) not Austin Ziegler, but didn't get any answer. At least it is necessary to get a warning before getting banned. Also a limited banning is sufficient, giving another chance...
Maybe you could forward this to the mailinglist -- I think a listadmin at least has to respond to an email sent to him. My conclusion: the list-admin is not acting as he should. Perhaps we shall vote for another admin? (How many posts has he contributed? Are they useful, is he helpful?)
2nd: Why is Austin Ziegler NOT banned? His last mail from TODAY:
There is welcoming, and then there's letting the assholes set the tone of your discourse because they enjoy abusing your goodwill.
WE DON'T WANT SUCH WORDS IN THE LIST! - NOW I'M OUT OF THE LIST (BANNED), and he CAN'T STOP OFFENDING...
Anyways, as documented I am now banned too without notice & reason and no official answer only cheering ons of the mods (that is, really only SHIBATA Hiroshi) who it looks MUST admin the mailing list as a chore - for sure no fun - and SHIBATA Hiroshi hasn't posted anything himself for years (other than threats and you are banned).