No preview for beat/bassline

[liftarn]

Both piano rolls and sample tracks have previews, but not the beat/bassline.

Example: http://lmms.sourceforge.net/screenshots/1.0.0/lmms-1.0.0-1.png

[mikobuntu]

I'm sure this could be possible to implement by one of the devs, But i'm not sure it is necessary and it may make it hard to distinguish between song tracks and bb_tracks in the song_editor.

• hint: you might want to crop your original image to show just the part you are describing and perhaps use gimp or some app to highlight and document your thoughts .... example below :

thanks Mikobuntu ;)

[tresf]

I'd like to see a mock-up of what you would like this to look like. That blue bar is quite the small amount of real-estate for a BBEditor preview. If you could illustrate how you'd like this to be visualized, perhaps we could speak to the feasibility of it.

[Umcaruje]

The problem IMO is that B&B lines can be severely complex (I usually have 20+ instruments in a B&B and some are patterns, some are notes ) So actually I can't really see this working. Even if you could visualize all the patterns, it'd get too crowded and would become ugly.

[tresf]

The problem IMO is that B&B lines can be severely complex (I usually have 20+ instruments in a B&B and some are patterns, some are notes ) So actually I can't really see this working. Even if you could visualize all the patterns, it'd get too crowded and would become ugly.

I share the same opinion here, which is why I'd like the OP to explain what he wants. If he can't visualize this happening, then we'll have to invalidate this bug, since we can't do the impossible! 👍

[Sti2nd]

Pgib has code for it. It is just a matter of making it fit in the new LMMS. I think dizzy and pgib agreed to wait for it after the theming rehaul was finished

[tresf]

Pgib has code for it.

Interesting. Do we have a screenshot somewhere? If it has already been started, we should probably mark a milestone for it, no?

[Sti2nd]

yeah, there are lying a screenshot here on github if I aren't mistaken, one of the first threads here on github. I'll update my comment if I find it.
UPDATE: #150 Ooh, it was probably the picture of Cusis theme, and of course it is for the old LMMS, if many things have happened after that...

[liftarn]

Not much of an artist, but I was thinking something like this. Just as piano roll is a representation of notes this is a representation of drum notes. One mark for each active beat and different drums on different heights.

[Umcaruje]

Not much of an artist, but I was thinking something like this. Just as piano roll is a representation of notes this is a representation of drum notes. One mark for each active beat and different drums on different heights.

What if there is a pattern that looks like this?

Note that this is a mildly complex pattern.

I also think that B&B patterns would get too close looking to instrument patterns if we do this.

[liftarn]

Yes, complex pattern would looks more complex.

[diizy]

On 11/04/2014 11:45 PM, Umcaruje wrote:

Not much of an artist, but I was thinking something like this.
Just as piano roll is a representation of notes this is a
representation of drum notes. One mark for each active beat and
different drums on different heights.

What if there is a pattern that looks like this?

It wouldn't be any different from how we represent instrument patterns
that have lots of stacked notes.

I also think that B&B patterns would get too close looking to
instrument patterns if we do this.

That's a possible concern, sure.

[mikobuntu]

Imo this looks like it could be very useful actually and the graphic is aesthetically pleasing too ( won't clash with the instrument midi note preview ) . +1 from me

thanks Mikobuntu ;)

[Sti2nd]

Great idea! Look at the dots here for example, brilliant http://cusis.deviantart.com/art/CUSIS-User-Interface-LMMS-136994117
It depends on how one design it if they'll be hard to differ from instrument tracks in the Song Editor. have plenty of ideas:

• So Cusis thought about B&B patterns like drums only, and if B&B patterns only are represented by circular dots it would be easy to differ them apart from instrument segments/clips/patterns. This can be done even with instruments, the different tracks can be drawn on different lines. Notes for instruments would look mono.
• B&B mixes both instruments and steps/patterns, so dividing the area in two, the upper dedicated for drum beats and the latter for instruments for example, could be something. You could even be so advanced to use the function LMMS has If one doesn't put all basslines and
• Both instrument notes and drum notes on top of each other!! Some transparent magic or blend modes (expression taken from GIMP)?
• My personal favorite: Make use of the function LMMS has to expand the height of the tracks in the Song Editor and let the user choose how much of the B&B tracks she want's to see. This will make it possible to show practically the whole B&B Editor in a segment/pattern/clip in the Song Editor.
• Option to choose which instruments to draw and only allow drumsteps or song notes and not a mix?

[Spekular]

I was thinking that we could represent everything as a hit. Pretend all the
notes are the same note and then represent them as
squares/triangles/circles/vertical lines (I kinda like vertical lines as it
would differentiate them from notes and make them more visible than a dot)

[Sti2nd]

Depends on how you picture a dot

[tresf]

Marking as duplicate of the "Cusis Theme" effort #1839 and closing to consolidate bug reports.